Last Updated. Whats more, Larsonseems genuinely appalled by what happened. 2) One of the Resses got caught doing something bad again, and a deal was reached to help anti-2nd forces in exchange for an investigation going away. No offense meant, I was just pointing out that Springfield Armory has no connection to the city of Springfield Illinois. Watch the TonyBen videos on YouTube. WebRock River Arms RAGE AR-15 Rifle 5.56 Nato / .223 Rem, 16" BBL, 6 Position Stock, M-LOK Free Float Rail, 30 Round, LAR-15M - Model DS1850 Carbine. Theyve come to the heart of flyover country because they know their anti-2A dogwont hunt back in Washington. Sure enough, the bill passed theSenate by a single vote. I am not positive, but didnt Beretta get so pissed with Maryland that they moved everything, or is it still on going? Those bastards. (And I can guarantee he would never speak to me like that in person.). That is amazingly Bill Ruger was key in the implementing of the 94 AWB, refusing to sell evil 20+ round magazines to anyone but .gov entities? Im not ordering anything Springfield. I am sure you do not mean Nissan or Beretta both of which picked up and moved to Tennessee for their headquarters (as well as many other companies). They can spout their support of the 2A all day, just like Shannon Watts does, but its just words. I know people who continue to not buy Ruger even after his kids made up for the old mans traitorous ways. F$&@ Ruger too! Anyway, at least for now, I will bide my time and see if Springfield repents and takes positive actions to atone for their irrational IL acts. Never, ever. AR Parts. That alone is enough to put them out of business. Its real easy for you people to bash a company when you dont own shit. As has been said by numerous others, that Springer I had thought about buying just got thrown under the bus. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. I see how you fired a shot across IFMAs bow last week. I dont expect everyone to feel that way. Last trip to the range, ran a couple hundred rounds of all flavors through it without an FTE/FTF. These lobbyists arent in business to protect gun owners or the Second Amendment. I wanted one with the threaded barrel and suppressor sights. Ruget supported the ban on high capacity (ie standard capacity) mags as it favored their line of sporting rifles like the mini-14. Hes told several industry types that he had no contact with IFMA lobbyist Jay Keller and knew nothing of this carve-out. Beretta (ex-MD) and Remington (ex-NY) make your statements look foolish. Imagine, a corrupt Illinois politician! Are you aware it was Bill Ruger who testified before Congress that nobody needs more than 10 rounds? At least Henry, like Ruger, is 100% American. Ruger today is a strong supporter of everything 2A. Heres a basic synopsis of the original company; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Repeating_Arms_Company#Early_history. Peoplr lose jobs, get divorced, buy better guns and so on. It may not even pass the House. They make a so-so M14 copy that can only stand up because Norinco cant export their el-cheapo copy here anymore. I hope they go out of business and leave the dishonesty to our opponents. In the world of .308 Win. Why does Ruger all of the sudden get a pass on treachery? You can learn to make good parts on a CNC a lot faster than on a Bridgeport or SouthBend. I had some AR parts on order a few days before Sands Hook. Its about the same price as an M1A. This rifle also has an RRA TRO-XL extended free float rail handguard and an accuracy of 3/4 MOA at 100 Yards. In short, this means rifle-makers need to adapt, and one company taking that step is Rock River Arms (RRA) with its LAR-15 Operator III in 5.56mm NATO. I live in Illinois. If you sell more than 9 guns per year, you are in the business of selling guns. Maybe thats the case in many instances, but its not like the IFMA has thousands of members. That was just a small part of the problem. WebRock River Arms LAR-15 Lightweight Mountain Rifle | MT1800X 5.56 NATO (223 Rem), 16" Chrome-Moly Lightweight BBL, Semi-Automatic, 6-Position Black Stock, Black Finish, RRA Lightweight, 30+1 Rds. The ATH V2 comes with an 18-inch, stainless steel, Thats bad, dont get me wrong. All have been accurate and reliable. IMO, this last election postponed the literal civil war Ive been advocating for for over 10 years. RRA should be punished too. Its a FACT that those brands are twice the price as Ruger. Ruger, S&W, Springfield, Rock River, Ive seen people complain about Glock and Colt, Hex Mag, and about a dozen more. Every damn one of you bad asses crying I wont buy from them again would have done the same thing. Or cameras? Web50%. Totally revitalized the economy of an American community with their 3rd plant. Specifications and Features: Rock River Arms AR-15 Magazine AR0116N30 .223 Remington and 5.56 NATO 30 Round Capacity Anti-Tilt Follower Proven Reliability Id say they are a step above most other production 1911s. because Im sure you dont live in illinios. * How to order a firearm: See The Guide. We beat back a similar bill last year. IF WE LOSE RRA BECAUSE OF THIS HYSTERICAL REACTION, thats a blow to liberty. Pretty small and isolated country town. Glock and S&W sell their guns to states like NY, NJ, HI that trample our 2A rights every day but I dont see you bashing them and Ill bet most of you own a Glock or a S&W. And if they do, all the company has to do is say sorry like Ruger. Dont own a Springfield anything and now never will. When you need mags that you can count on with each and every shot, make sure you turn to Rock River Arms! Springfield makes decent guns but there are others out there. I swear its getting hard to keep track of them all by memory. Make the bill political kryptonite. Ive gotten good deals and free shipping on Handguards from CTD. WebProduct Description. They pulled the same crap for the Clinton ban, Amen almost bought a springfield I agree with you to hell with them sig glock ruger for me here on out. Bonus was it was stainless frame and made in the USA. However, if youre willing to spend a little extra money on your rifle, Rock River Arms is definitely worth considering. Rock River Arms has built a reputation as a quality maker of modern sporting rifles and offers an extremely diverse list of models and options. Glad to see TTAG not shy away from it. I got a 12 2a armament Mlok handguard from them for $148.97 and free shipping in September. I have talked to people in person in TN that were overjoyed at having Beretta move there. My SA 1911 Loaded Target has been my favorite pistol since I bought it last year. The Springfield name is going to carry an odor, no matter how good a particular firearm might be. If you want to scope your BM 59, there is a company that makes a direct over the bore scope kit for Garands that fits the BM59. Or how much it was going to take to replace them? I know I wont be buying anything else from springfield armory. We need the pistols to get to our rifles anyway. We feel that IFMAs An xdm9 and a 1911 loaded. RRA is pretty close to Iowa iirc. They see deep-blue Illinois as a great place toenact more of their gun control schemes. Larson first said Rock River Arms had broken ties with the Illinois Firearms Manufacturing Association which is only a four member board. Weve even got a state-centric message board/forum promoting gun rights. Is there a list somewhere? Enjoy shooting it, and the second one if you buy one. People Of The Gun have long memories. If Rauner is serious about re-election he will veto this flaming sack of shite. Rock River Arms, Incorporated is a manufacturing company in Colona, Illinois that manufacturers parts and accessories for AR-15 / M16 type rifles, as well as other firearms. Rock River Arms is owned and operated by brothers Mark and Chuck Larson. Between 1981 and 1991 the Larsons worked at Springfield Armory, Inc., where Mark was the head armorer. thats what matter and they put that last. They have no ethics. If for no other reason than as a cautionary tale to other would be future sell outs. see: gasoline supply during any natural disaster where the govt threatens to prosecute profiteers. Some times they have deals. And I believe it came with an internal lock on the main spring housing. WebRock River Arms Two Stage Match Trigger Kit4.5-5 lbThe RRA match AR trigger kit is designed for AR-15 and AR-10 Mil-Spec lower receivers with .154 trigger and hammer pins. You see once you jump in bed with the marketing types and throw millions at image you quickly discover that your rudder fell off long ago and now youre not sure what you stand forif anything. Two companies provide the bulk of the funding for IFMA:Springfield Armory and Rock River Arms. Was also saving up for an m1a. I realy liked this ranger officer mogel all stainless nice looking gun. SA, who knows, maybe they can retool to make manure spreaders. This companys name is Mudd. Might see if you can find one to test out. RRA will wind up being an LE only shop. What part of their history am I missing Gov? There is a story of a guy that got run out of business after a hurricane because he jacked his prices up for generators. Please, spend your money where you want. chamber also differ from the 5.56 mm NATO chamber You probably also found out that at least bizapedia reports that the IFMA was dissolved. Be everywhere until the bill is toast. The Illinois Manufacturers Association will continue to fight and protect not only manufacturers, but dealers and the gun owner as well.. Wasnt there big stink couple years ago about so called kitchen table FFLs not realy conducting business for living and just getting wholesale pricing on guns for themselves and their family members? Well also work on the NRA to start taking a firmer stance against rogue anti-2A manufacturers, no matter how much advertising space they buy. I have been in similar situations where it is damned if I do damned if I dont. It is the fault of the people in Illinois. I want to see how they fix the mess they created with the people who liked their product. Shocking I know. Wrong. Did Springfield get shouted down at their own party? Major mistake, Springfield. I used to have a TRP. If theres something worse than a fanboy, its a fanboy fudd. Springfield for intention; RRA for negligence. What would I do if I was RRA and SAI? WebA similar thing happened with Yeti and the NRA, where Yeti ended their NRA-specific discount program but included them in a broader discount program. What would you have done differently if you ran SA or RRA with a workforce that is similarly trapped in soviet Illinois and depends on your company staying open and profitable to keep their jobs? THEY MUST BE BOYCOTTED INTO BANKRUPTCY. I would have called my lawyer, the NRA and a publicist. If IFMA had stood shoulder-to-shoulder with the NRA-ILA, the Illinois State Rifle Association, Guns Save Lifeand the National Shooting Sports Foundation working as a team to oppose this egregiousbill wed have had a good chance of depriving anti-gunners of a badly needed win. Its their prerogative. Screw that. And whats worse, if it passes, Bloomberg will attempt to duplicate this legislation in all 50 states. WARNING: The products offered for sale on this website can expose you to chemicals which are known to the State They were charging $100 for a 30 round mag during the panic. Rock River Arms RRAGE Carbine LAR-15 with ATN Day/Night scope. That is only if Springfield Arms survives this. Anyone who tries will come out worse for the experience. Maybe worst of all, passage gives anti-gunners a win they desperately needed. Make it a campaign issue NOW. Instead, we were undercut by aself-serving supposed ally. Maybe the deal was the result ofa lobbyist gone rogue. They did what they thought would keep the Criminal Clinton Administration from making a total all out war on guns. Initially I was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, but after I thought about Reeses statement, and now that Ive seen Larsons statement, I would have liked to see hecklers run Springfields employees right out of Atlanta. Divide & conquer. And Im not giving them up, to anybody, under any circumstances. I have an SA Profesional that I really like and was strongly considering a Custom Carry, but this turn of events gives me a real pause to that idea. In your opinion. I have a BM-59 kit that still needs to be built. Not to mention that when S&W colluded with Clinton they were owned by the British engineering firm Tomkins. Have been eyeballing the SA Saint the last couple weeks. When the Maryland Leftistlature passed the odious Gun Safety Act of 2013, making it illegal to purchase many of the firearms made by the venerable Beretta concern, they responded by building their new facility in Tennessee, giving Maryland a stalwart raised middle finger and taking a considerable amount of tax revenue with them.. Ive not the least doubt that the rest of Beretta will eventually follow. Keller dropped IFMAs opposition, providing cover for a couple of wavering Senators to vote for the bill. I bought 6 smith & wessons before I ever knew about the incident. However, too many judges seem to rule on what they think should be fine, instead of the law. I considered buying an XDs when I was looking for a conceal carry, glad I bought something else. Most places, its still over $1500. You can not name another firearms manufacture today that has done more than Ruger to support the NRA, the 2A and firearms owners. if you run a company and you dont know whats going on this is what you deserve. Even if its expensive, SA is in a better position to pay the fee than Hank and Ethels gun shop. Bill may not have been perfect (who is), but his passion for firearms was solid and he was known as Americas Gunmaker, for good reasons. Sellouts. If you dont like their price dont buy. My target is when my oldest daughter graduates from high school. I think it was meant to be used with gloves on only. Apples and suspension bridges here. If this bill actually passes, I think the hit should be pretty severe. The owners at S&W that colluded with Clinton paid the price for it. This rifle is fed by a 10-round AICS-pattern detachable box magazine. Expect deep, deep discounts on that warehouse full of XD-Es and Saints they were hoping to sell this summer. Just as its equally acceptable for folks like me to attempt to boycott them into bankruptcy. If they pull funding from the group well have some decent evidence that they didnt and dont support this carve out and are catching crap for something which they had no part in creating. And their ammo prices were astronomical. Ben Franklin once said, If we do not hang together, we shall surely hang separately.. Springfield and Rock River Illinois Sell-Out: Picking up the Its enough of a turnaround that I forgive their earlier sins.. Thats not fighting to protect gun owners. I checked my order history. I am still trying to figure out how best to get rid of my XD-40 and assist in flooding the market with used XD pistols. Its enough of a turnaround that I forgive their earlier sins. From what I gathered from this article and all the information I viewed about this organization its hard to say just how much control SA and RRA has over the Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association. If only there was a place to run-and-gun in or near NWI. My time stinks apparently. That is sooo repetitious! And their quality has never wavered (damn straight). As the old adage goes, put up or shut up. Do you know how much the dealer bought them for? Whats the hangup for SA? Hislobbyist will continue to fight and protect dealers and gun owners? You should buy a BCM, Daniel Defense, or LWRC. This year, State Senator Don Harmon needed IFMA to end their opposition to his bill. Granted, the company isnt run by a Henry these days but I thought the paper trail of ownership was fairly clear and unbroken. My sprinters were not seeing much action lately. Glad I waited. Had it in the cart at buds ready to buy tomorrow and now it definitely is not going to happen. Great gun. I think a hit to Springfield sales should get them leaning on the IFMA (who should be facing a hit to subscribers) enough for the IFMA to not fold in the future. The company makes a wide variety of weapons, including AR-15 and M16 rifles, as well as pistols, shotguns, and bolt-action rifles. Im sorry, I mean they would ask after putting you and your fliers in the dumpster. Which would help with elimination if in the future. One dealer told me hes pulling Springfield product from his shelves to give his salespeople a break from carping customers. WebSo What Happened At Rock River Arms & Springfield Armory??? What if I want to get some real nice (read expensive) gun and in order to spare my familys budget I decide to sell part of my gun collection? COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. Why does anyone ever even try to work with them? Another dealer told me he wished Springfield well. (3) Rock River Arms LAR-15 Tactical CAR A4 223 Remington/5.56 NATO Carbine $ 684.99. So thats a reason for ignoring the fact that Ruger basically wrote the assault weapons ban? If anyone from SAs Corporate Communications department happens upon this post, please get this in front of Dennis Reese and let him know that his actions are shameful, and that he has just traded his honor for a paycheck. I wont name them, but the sales people at certain companies worked hard (and maybe even fudged some dates on paperwork) to make sure that I got my magazines before the deadline in the law hit. I really wanted a trp and a cqb but oh well will get something from another manufacturer. Springfield Armory is a dishonest operation from stem to stern. When I contacted Springfield about getting some spare magazines for my M1A, they told me they wouldnt sell to me because I lived in New York. Never a single problem, thousands of rounds. 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